2 CB1300 pics

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:43 am

Someone from Germany sent me these. Thought some might like to see them.

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:15 am

WTF is Honda thinking not making these available in the US?

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:46 am

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:07 am

They're probably thinkin their sales would suck due to the 114 HP rating and no 6 speed, and they might just be right. Too bad, it sure looks cool.

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:08 am

I have the colour codes for one of these, this is what I painted my 1100F because no one could work out the 1100F code in Australia. I'd say it's very close to the original 1100F colour anyway Smile

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:28 am

I would buy one...

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:29 am

I would buy one...

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:11 am

For some reason Honda has a fixation based on the little "meet the nicest people on a Honda" and insist on only making small engines.

Look at the XX Blackbird 150 lbs heavier than the 900RR to get 1100 cc. Dropped it when the Hayabusa and big Kawasaki showed up instead of updating to the 1300cc it SHOULD have been to start with.

Same as 1979 when these 750's showed up,the 900 was in Europe. Then in 1981 the USA finally got the 900 but the other brands already had YEARS building big bikes. Then finally the 1100 to drop in in one year,thanks Honda. Always a day late and a dollar short,but advertising will always convince the gullible that a little engine will work better.

In the years of my past there was no doubt that the Honda quality was better than any of the existing brands. All we wanted was a big engine bike but Honda can't get their head out of their butt and build one. Same in 1966 as in 2006,no trickshititeous,just a big engine straight bike with as much power as a "sport bike". Think maybe decent height handlebar and no fairing would flat out run their best "performance bike"?

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:16 am

Here are some of a CB 1300 Super Four Type-r

http://world.honda.com/Tokyo2003/motor/lineup/cb/cb1300sf/movie/index.html

http://world.honda.com/Tokyo2003/motor/booth/lineup/cb1300sf-r/picture1/index.html

Kelvin

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 6:28 am

You know what - if they bring that godamm bike to the US, Ill have to sell BOTH my cars and go out and buy one. So pray that they dont import it, that will kill me finantially....cuz I wouldnt be able to not but that thing...

Sad

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:48 pm

I have gone to look at these CB1300 bikes at the Honda shops in Italy. I have not seen the new special edition but have looked and sat on the regular bike. Very nice!

I have been told that the reason Honda, and Yamaha do not market these classic bikes in the US is because of the huge V-twin market here. They think the market that buys classic looking bikes will buy a V-twin over one of these.

Of course they are wrong in our case!

They don't sell real well in Italy and there are several new 2005 bikes on the floor. I never talked hard sell but I think a new 2005 could be bought for around $8500 or maybe less.

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:46 pm

Still a pretty long stroke and slow rev compared to a Hayabusa (81.0 x 63.0mm),
even more compared to a ZX14 (84.0 x 61.0 mm).

They have completely forgotten us here... Rolling Eyes

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 6:11 pm

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 6:28 pm

I say we ride ours F's to Japan an demand they import 100 of them and sell them to us at a discount because we kick ass.

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:02 pm

Yup, that'll work! Very Happy

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:49 pm

I would leave the engine specifics to someone else,but if they made an maximum output "naked" bike it would sell. If they do this to preserve the "wrist breakers" by making a neutered big engine that would barely outrun a 600 they will not sell.

My wife recently bought me a 2006 Superglide Harley Davidson. Handles like the Titanic,is slower than my 30 yr old CB-500,but with the choice of seats is the most comfortable bike to ride my wife has ever been on,according to her. The nice part is the resale,since some other idiot will buy it. I would not EVER buy a Japanese "Harley" or for that matter the Winnebago of bikes the Gold Wing.

Be nice if Honda would do what they do best and leave the Harleys to Harley. In fact they made a nice Harley copy really slow and heavy but ignore the fact that Harley has an entire line of Screaming Eagle parts to improve the pee poor power.

I was faced with a problem. Power and sore wrists with a seat too tall to reach the ground or a Harley clone. What I want is a sport bike without the expensive fairing and not one of the Japanese manufactutrers will build it.

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:40 pm

These Yamaha's are pretty cool.....

at least 130 HP?

...and what you got against the 919??

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:21 am

It starts with a "9",as in 900 versus a "13".

That motor in original idea was a competitive 750,big bore short stroke. To bad it was not competitive so was "stroked" to get to 900. So you have a high rod stress engine with a clutch too small to carry the power.

I am getting old. My entire reason for going to college and graduating as a mechanical engineer was to get a job designing either motorcycles or autos. I was really tired of fixing in mass pee poor designs that failed 100 percent and seeing the same mistake and the same warranty repair. I figured someone that was a mechanic first could do better. My first job was as an engineer for Chrysler Airtemp. Too bad the company was in the process of closing out Airtemp. The building and 400 acres of land is now the Corvette production facillity.

Same deal as a mold designer for Anchor Hocking Glass. Buy and sell a few times to get the captain of the Titanic as plant manager or the CEO's main job to make it sick enough to sell to benefit him. At some point the "new" parent company threw away,as in scrap,4 pages both sides single spaced of all the mold equipment of about 70 years worth of designs.

Decided to quit moving away in search of work and came home to take care of my mom and the property here that was the motorcycle shop. We made enough money in the early years of Honda that the interest paid more than my highest salary. It was this way I could build/improve/race this DOHC engine and beat the other brands with not one bit of backing from Honda. Was fun for a while but eventually the lack of any aftermarket parts where you could get any part you wanted for the other brands made it not fun.

These motors will flat suck the headlight out of the junk 900/919/929/954 little guy,so why would I use another lost cause? The statement,don't send a boy to do a man's job comes to mind.

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 8:05 am

My take on the current motorcycle market is that most of the really cool big bikes have already had the designs far more closely maxed out than they did 25 years ago. Computers and accountants have been largely responsible, and I can't say I blame them.

I'm not a mech eng, but I can crack a book if I have to or tap resources and get some pretty sound advice, and I usually recognize when I've been had. I'm a trained and experienced systems engineer in the entertainment industry and that's about as wild and crazy as it gets considering we broadcast the sports and award shows live.

I pretty much think the days of finding a design in a sport or dual sport motorcycle that has lots of room to grow on a grass roots level are pretty much over. The days of the UJM are long gone along with the mostly over-designed but sometimes oddly designed original 'superbikes'.

The American market for motorcycles has not been kind to the Japanese bike market in the long run and this is our reward. There have long been far superior designs available in Europe and Asia and this is our just deserts as far as I can see.

Ah well, wanna race a high tech americun (sp) V-Twin??? Don't forget to get out your money Laughing

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:49 pm

The Honda 919 and 600 were built for the Euro market. They are called the Hornet over there and are extremely popular. In fact, based on how many you see, I would say they own half the total market.

Far from perfect but they are a very good value.

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:28 pm

Yeah, I could ride one of these. 114hp is pretty low for a 1300 but it could probably be give a lot more hp I would think.

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:03 pm

sonicrete wrote:

It starts with a "9",as in 900 versus a "13".

That motor in original idea was a competitive 750,big bore short stroke. To bad it was not competitive so was "stroked" to get to 900. So you have a high rod stress engine with a clutch too small to carry the power.

I am getting old. My entire reason for going to college and graduating as a mechanical engineer was to get a job designing either motorcycles or autos. I was really tired of fixing in mass pee poor designs that failed 100 percent and seeing the same mistake and the same warranty repair. I figured someone that was a mechanic first could do better. My first job was as an engineer for Chrysler Airtemp. Too bad the company was in the process of closing out Airtemp. The building and 400 acres of land is now the Corvette production facillity.

Same deal as a mold designer for Anchor Hocking Glass. Buy and sell a few times to get the captain of the Titanic as plant manager or the CEO's main job to make it sick enough to sell to benefit him. At some point the "new" parent company threw away,as in scrap,4 pages both sides single spaced of all the mold equipment of about 70 years worth of designs.

Decided to quit moving away in search of work and came home to take care of my mom and the property here that was the motorcycle shop. We made enough money in the early years of Honda that the interest paid more than my highest salary. It was this way I could build/improve/race this DOHC engine and beat the other brands with not one bit of backing from Honda. Was fun for a while but eventually the lack of any aftermarket parts where you could get any part you wanted for the other brands made it not fun.

These motors will flat suck the headlight out of the junk 900/919/929/954 little guy,so why would I use another lost cause? The statement,don't send a boy to do a man's job comes to mind.

......... oh. Ok.

didnt mean to get ya all worked up...

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 12:29 am

Defintion of Honda trickshititeous.

The bike you speak has no frame,the swingarm mounts to the engine rear.Typical Honda,the fucking head will not come off with the engine in the "frame". You must attach the bike to the ceiling because it "disolves" and there is nothing to mount it to from underneath. A real pain in the ass to work on. Now if it does not fail that makes no problem.

As for Harley I am still not a believer,BUT in all fairness it does not vibrate and my wife can ride with me again. Due to our age the 1100F seat would cause her pain on a decent ride,but at least the foot pegs are in a decent spot. Look at the newish bikes to see the passenger accomidations. A seat that is painted on and foot pegs so high you look like a Kentucky Derby Jockey with your heels under your ass.

There is a big differnce in riding a horse and racing one. That postion that works for 2 minutes is shit for a long ride. Same true for a "street" bike,55 to 70 mph is not like racing at Daytona.

As for power when a "useless" engineer goes out of his way to slow a bike down I don't need him. Example is the ZX-1100 versus the ZRX-1100,just by changing camshafts one stock part to another gains you 25 HP. They also did this same trick 900RR to the naked bike,but I have not heard that the cams will interchange and knowing Honda they probably changed something on purpose to prevent it.

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:53 am

sonicrete wrote:

The statement,don't send a boy to do a man's job comes to mind.

That very statement is what lead a few of us over here to get these things Exclamation

The most bang for the buck Twisted Evil

And very comfy too!

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 3:20 am

Dood.... you need a beemer.

My girl LOVES the ride of the beemer and it allows for heated jackets and things with the power outlet....

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:50 am

INTIMIDA2OR wrote:

sonicrete wrote:

The statement,don't send a boy to do a man's job comes to mind.

That very statement is what lead a few of us over here to get these things Exclamation

The most bang for the buck Twisted Evil

And very comfy too!

Yeah, it's just too bad they have no soul.

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 7:40 am

eatpasta wrote:

Dood.... you need a beemer.

Uh ..... Not just No , but HELL NO

Laughing

I never ride 2 up and i need my pro street dragbike acceleration and starship speed to maintain orbit or i'll risk burning up in the atmosphere:P Razz

BlitzCanuck wrote:

Yeah, it's just too bad they have no soul.

The unbelievable Raw Acceleration overrides any negative facts that can be imagined.
I wish it were a Naked Honda of CB1300 nature but brand new warranted Insano power is a tough competitor Exclamation

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 1:39 pm

Lee, what ever they naysayers have to say would be squashed if they rode your bike. I have not ridden it but, have ridden with you on it once or twice Razz

and your bike has "Soul", fuck what they are goin through.