new mule in the barn

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:11 am

picked this up in sept

It was factory stock from the original owner.

Added the brocks pipe,a set of mikuni flat slides and got rid of the emissions
crap and it really woke it up

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:31 am

Very nice.
Thank goodness it is green. The red or dark silver coloured ones don't look right for a Kawi.

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:52 am

Very nice!

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:10 am

Awesome! Love that look!

Scott

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:29 am

Very nice I had one back in 99 rode it for 4 years, loved that bike. Except I had to repaint it to my own specs.

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:15 pm

Love those pipes! Cool

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:42 pm

smurdoch wrote:

.... The red or dark silver coloured ones don't look right for a Kawi.

But the blue/black one does. Very Happy

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:59 pm

Very KOOL ...

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 12:03 am

Imagine my surprise. Thought this had to do with the old Blues songs about a new mule kicking in your stall...Much better than that. Good on you!

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 12:21 pm

I've always wanted one. Good for you. Go flog it!

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:53 pm

Picked up one myself in October. A Blue 03 ZRX1200R. Seems a lot of Fers has one of these as well.

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:54 pm

I have started seriously looking at them. Seriously cool.

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:03 pm

I thought about the ZRX 1200, but after checking full coverage ins., I bought a ZZR 1200.
Ins. was cheaper and MORE HP. 50mpg @ 75 mph. I love it. And you can pick them up real cheap!

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:10 pm

always liked them!!! There are 4 of them on our seattle craigslist right now. What kind of HP numbers does that put out? Reading about them it seems like a well modified CB1100f that gets built on this website and one of those would go neck an neck............ and brings back to topic.....(start new thread)

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:01 pm

stock,the power was very similar to my 1123 with degreed webcams and cr 35 carbs.
the zrx1200 with the brocks pipe and mikuni flatslides has much more power.
it pulls all the way from 4000rpm,where the 1123 feels like a 2 stroke and wants to stand straight up around 6500 Very Happy

Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:51 am

We have one just like that on,green and all and 1100.

Common stuff but here is what I did. The stock header is junk,it has baffles inside the collector and makes it a blue moon dog. The header is a big help,we bought a Kerker off E-Bay. Any cannister added to the stock front is a waste of money,that muffler inside the collector is a joke.

Next big help like all bikes adjust the valves. The #1 and 2 were tight at minimum or under and the bike fouled plugs which is how it came for sale. Clearances are .007" to 0095" exhaust and .005" to .0075" intake and this is at the valve to rocker. Since the pad is middle of the rocker you have about 1/2 that at the cam. Tight trys to wear the pad on the rocker.

The coils are junk,worse than the Honda. At least the Honda has a "wood screw" for the wire to thread onto. The Kawasaki is just a smooth pin like a nail and is a loose fit. Easy to turn back and forth and the plug cap threads into the wire as well. Just nothing at all holding the wire in the coil gets loose and the spark goes away.

Hot set-up is stick coils from like a ZX6R. I used from a 636 $20 and $7 shipping. Create the wiring from what came with the 636 and plugs right in. Need 4 spade connectors. By making the wiring black from the one to the red of the next makes it the 3 ohms needed and all the coils fire positive. Really fit on the bike nice,nicer than the stock crap and anything that removes clutter under the tank is a help. Numerous write ups about the stick coil mod and the coils from a variety of bikes are the correct ones. Like 5.5" long the longer ones will not fit because hit the tank.

Installed the ZX cams but don't do it unless you get the sprockets to degree the cams. Stock cam timing is off and makes it a dead SOB in the middle. Muzzy numbers are like 102 LC intake and 104 LC exhaust.

Magazine tests back when these were new the cams got you like 25 Hp.

When it was stock pipe and all my CB-1100 was close in power. After the cams,pipe and all you cannot keep it in sight.

Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:22 am

sonicrete wrote:

We have one just like that on,green and all and 1100.

Common stuff but here is what I did. The stock header is junk,it has baffles inside the collector and makes it a blue moon dog. The header is a big help,we bought a Kerker off E-Bay. Any cannister added to the stock front is a waste of money,that muffler inside the collector is a joke.

Next big help like all bikes adjust the valves. The #1 and 2 were tight at minimum or under and the bike fouled plugs which is how it came for sale. Clearances are .007" to 0095" exhaust and .005" to .0075" intake and this is at the valve to rocker. Since the pad is middle of the rocker you have about 1/2 that at the cam. Tight trys to wear the pad on the rocker.

The coils are junk,worse than the Honda. At least the Honda has a "wood screw" for the wire to thread onto. The Kawasaki is just a smooth pin like a nail and is a loose fit. Easy to turn back and forth and the plug cap threads into the wire as well. Just nothing at all holding the wire in the coil gets loose and the spark goes away.

Hot set-up is stick coils from like a ZX6R. I used from a 636 $20 and $7 shipping. Create the wiring from what came with the 636 and plugs right in. Need 4 spade connectors. By making the wiring black from the one to the red of the next makes it the 3 ohms needed and all the coils fire positive. Really fit on the bike nice,nicer than the stock crap and anything that removes clutter under the tank is a help. Numerous write ups about the stick coil mod and the coils from a variety of bikes are the correct ones. Like 5.5" long the longer ones will not fit because hit the tank.

Installed the ZX cams but don't do it unless you get the sprockets to degree the cams. Stock cam timing is off and makes it a dead SOB in the middle. Muzzy numbers are like 102 LC intake and 104 LC exhaust.

Magazine tests back when these were new the cams got you like 25 Hp.

When it was stock pipe and all my CB-1100 was close in power. After the cams,pipe and all you cannot keep it in sight.

What was the resistance in those coils? Did you check them? Im curious as hell.

Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:55 am

Try a ZRX web site. They are reporting like 1.5 -1.6 ohm. So two coils in series makes 3 ohm.

Stock use for the stick coils wires all the coils "hot" together and the grounds fire them by the computer breaking the ground.

So the wiring to the stick coil is this nice plug with a rubber seal inside. Goes in then "clicks" to hold it there. You get two plugs with long wires and two plugs with shorter wires cutting up a stock wiring harness. This makes the assembly long enough to reach the outside plugs. Red wires to red on the bike. The ground from coil one then goes to the red of coil two and the black goes to the ground side from which ever side it is firing,ie 1/4 left side of the bike and 2/3 right side of the bike. Shrink tubing and some spade connectors and it looks made that way,plugs right in to the bike wiring harness.

Obviously with the amount of threads about this everbody discovered the piss poor stock arrangement and the ease of using the stick coils. Apparantly a lot of bikes use the exact same coil and I found a list of them. A little search got a 636 ZX6R set of coils and the stock wiring harness for $20 and $7 shipping. Best money we spent and looks like it came that way.

A real pain in the ass battling with the stock wire and plug caps with all the other crap under the tank. This really makes it clean.

CB1100F Joined: Mar 03, 2004 Posts: 3278 Location: Seattle

cb1187 wrote:

I thought about the ZRX 1200, but after checking full coverage ins., I bought a ZZR 1200.
Ins. was cheaper and MORE HP. 50mpg @ 75 mph. I love it. And you can pick them up real cheap!

Yep! I REALLY LOVE my ZX11!!

CB1100F Joined: Mar 03, 2004 Posts: 3278 Location: Seattle

sonicrete wrote:

We have one just like that on,green and all and 1100.

Common stuff but here is what I did. The stock header is junk,it has baffles inside the collector and makes it a blue moon dog. The header is a big help,we bought a Kerker off E-Bay. Any cannister added to the stock front is a waste of money,that muffler inside the collector is a joke.

Next big help like all bikes adjust the valves. The #1 and 2 were tight at minimum or under and the bike fouled plugs which is how it came for sale. Clearances are .007" to 0095" exhaust and .005" to .0075" intake and this is at the valve to rocker. Since the pad is middle of the rocker you have about 1/2 that at the cam. Tight trys to wear the pad on the rocker.

The coils are junk,worse than the Honda. At least the Honda has a "wood screw" for the wire to thread onto. The Kawasaki is just a smooth pin like a nail and is a loose fit. Easy to turn back and forth and the plug cap threads into the wire as well. Just nothing at all holding the wire in the coil gets loose and the spark goes away.

Hot set-up is stick coils from like a ZX6R. I used from a 636 $20 and $7 shipping. Create the wiring from what came with the 636 and plugs right in. Need 4 spade connectors. By making the wiring black from the one to the red of the next makes it the 3 ohms needed and all the coils fire positive. Really fit on the bike nice,nicer than the stock crap and anything that removes clutter under the tank is a help. Numerous write ups about the stick coil mod and the coils from a variety of bikes are the correct ones. Like 5.5" long the longer ones will not fit because hit the tank.

Installed the ZX cams but don't do it unless you get the sprockets to degree the cams. Stock cam timing is off and makes it a dead SOB in the middle. Muzzy numbers are like 102 LC intake and 104 LC exhaust.

Magazine tests back when these were new the cams got you like 25 Hp.

When it was stock pipe and all my CB-1100 was close in power. After the cams,pipe and all you cannot keep it in sight.

BINGO!!

Pretty much EVERY add on suggestion/adjustment for the ZX11 Kawy as well. Kawys hate tight valves. The timing advancer cross fits on both bikes and is WELL worth it... as Bill said, the stick coils are a way kewl add-on. .

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:48 am

I wish bike manufacturers knew something about cam timing. It is absolute dead wrong on any engine to have the lobe center of the exhaust a smaller number than the intake.

This ZRX has like 20,000 miles so obvious some chain stretch/wear. The sprockets were on the cams when I got them from Bruce and he had just removed them from a ZX engine. So when I finally got the rig set up to do it they came in at 98.5 LC ex and 106.5 LC in. This is how you get an engine that does not run early then "strikes" the power band. People think it is fast that way because it "feels fast". In reallity it is dead at say 6000 and really runs at 7000. Timed right is powerful all the time pulling from the bottom.

The timing per every book I found said ZX times at 105 intake and 100 ex so 1.5 degrees due to the chain got the odder numbers. Advanced the intake about 5 degrees and the exhaust about 6 getting IO 21 IC 44 101.5LC EO 46 EC 17 104.5LC. It was IO 16 IC 49 EO 40 EC 23. This is the reason because as the chain wears the timing changes and if you start at say 100I 105E it becomes say 102.5 102.5 and split overlap.

Really odd. The sprockets have a square counter bore for one cam and a round counterbore for the other. The bolts thus set down in a pocket. You cannot just grind the hole oval. Would really be a bitch to attempt to machine the pocket in a hardened gear to move it. Thus needed adjustable sprockets and it seemed everyone was out of them. Tried to get some from Muzzy for a month,finally got from APE.

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:32 pm

I got one of them to great bike.Not exactly stock.

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:09 pm

Langys, I love the KERKER on those bikes. Here are some pics from the Stockbridge, MI a couple of years ago.

Chris

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:33 pm

easyc wrote:

Picked up one myself in October. A Blue 03 ZRX1200R. Seems a lot of Fers has one of these as well.

Here's a couple pictures of mine.

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:30 pm

Your are right Chris Kerker looks very cool in my opinion.
Langys