Ebay seller switch-aroo

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:22 am

I don't get it. There isn't really a downside for you for him to have shipped it through the mail instead of UPS ground. In fact, you probably got your item quicker that way. It didn't cost you any more than you expected and already agreed to pay, so what's the big difference?

Where I live it's a much bigger PITA to go to the post office to do shipping than UPS, so I'll try to ship UPS or Fedex if I can. Maybe the guy's plans changed that day and he had to go to the post office anyhow, so he just sent it there instead of going to UPS.

Who knows, who cares?

And he even offered to give you some refund to stop your complaining!

And all over a $67 sale that he probably made $10 in the first place?

You've wasted more than $10 worth of my time with this petty, silly little rant! Laughing

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:29 am

genesound wrote:

I don't get it. There isn't really a downside for you for him to have shipped it through the mail instead of UPS ground. In fact, you probably got your item quicker that way. It didn't cost you any more than you expected and already agreed to pay, so what's the big difference?

Where I live it's a much bigger PITA to go to the post office to do shipping than UPS, so I'll try to ship UPS or Fedex if I can. Maybe the guy's plans changed that day and he had to go to the post office anyhow, so he just sent it there instead of going to UPS.

Who knows, who cares?

And he even offered to give you some refund to stop your complaining!

And all over a $67 sale that he probably made $10 in the first place?

You've wasted more than $10 worth of my time with this petty, silly little rant! Laughing

So if he made $10 on the sale and then switched another $10 out of the shipping...he just doubled his profit by scamming my shipping...i looked up his selling feed back and at least 4 other people have given him neg or neutral feedback for the same reason. He is a motorcycle parts places and has 16831 Ebay sales...so I think he knows what he is doing.

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:42 am

Good Lord! Even if it was $25 who cares?

I don't get out of bed for fifteen times that much. You are giving that guy a lot of room in your head over a few bucks that didn't impact you in the slightest.

Why dick around with this? You agreed to pay, he agreed to get you the clutch pack in a timely manner. You mean you would really feel better if it was delivered by UPS several days later and left on your porch all broken to hell?

Question

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 7:28 am

you agreed to 15$, it arrived within the stated timeframe, and undamaged, regardless of what you thought of the packing.

He did what he said he would.

was the item as described?

IMO, you're being a bit of a wanker.

theres a lot more important shit to worry about then this.

the principle of the thing would be to leave good feedback.

jaz

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 7:33 am

PoPoSisco wrote:

It is all about principle....I got these for the same price would I have paid for the next higher priced plates (but they had lower shipping) I would have paid about the same. It is the fact they are trying to lure people in with a lower purchase price (when combined with shipping) that comes to a slightly lower overall cost and then slap them in the face with a "SUCKER" shipping switch so they can make up the lower item cost...

SO, yes this is all about truth in pricing...trying to make the Ebay experience better for the next person.

The way I see it, is you are that person who fucks up this shit for the rest of us, not making it better for the next person.

If he'd said shipping would be 5$ and charged you 15$ you'd have a case.

he said it'd be 15, he charged you 15, regardless of what it cost him, you agreed to 15.

on that note, I'm outta this thread.

jaz

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 7:45 am

click me

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:09 am

I"m with Gene. Give it up! Go down to your local dealer, let him order you the parts, don't worry about shipping and handling, pay him the price and leave with parts in you hand. Compare pricing. Gee whiz..... 10 bux. 3 beers. Give the rest of us a break already. U spent more than that on your last steak sandwich.....

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:22 am

and hats off to Jazz.... nailed it. Close this thread Glenn. Its stupid.

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:04 am

Nothing is making you guys click on this thread...so aren't you just complaining just as much as me about silly stuff (in your guys opinion)? If you dont like it, just look the other way... Fight

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:09 am

genesound wrote:

Good Lord! Even if it was $25 who cares?

I don't get out of bed for fifteen times that much. You are giving that guy a lot of room in your head over a few bucks that didn't impact you in the slightest.

Why dick around with this? You agreed to pay, he agreed to get you the clutch pack in a timely manner. You mean you would really feel better if it was delivered by UPS several days later and left on your porch all broken to hell?

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Yes, cause then I knew he wouldn't have made extra money off me....and I would have been able to get my money back from UPS for damaging it, and then I would have bought a new one.

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:13 am

PoPoSisco wrote:

genesound wrote:

Good Lord! Even if it was $25 who cares?

I don't get out of bed for fifteen times that much. You are giving that guy a lot of room in your head over a few bucks that didn't impact you in the slightest.

Why dick around with this? You agreed to pay, he agreed to get you the clutch pack in a timely manner. You mean you would really feel better if it was delivered by UPS several days later and left on your porch all broken to hell?

Question

Yes, cause then I knew he wouldn't have made extra money off me....and I would have been able to get my money back from UPS for damaging it, and then I would have bought a new one.

Jeeberz! I'm a hermit, but you really need to get out more Laughing

WTF! made money off of you??? What a jerk!!!

You want to be pissed off about something, look at what your government is doing to you!!!

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:13 pm

genesound wrote:

Jeeberz! I'm a hermit, but you really need to get out more Laughing

WTF! made money off of you??? What a jerk!!!

You want to be pissed off about something, look at what your government is doing to you!!!

Ya, they gave me more money this year for a tax return...they are ooooh so bad!

Most of the bad stuff that happens in DC is not perpetuated by Wisconsin lawmakers...so i cant do much if they have screwed you over somehow.

I do get out....I dont know where you have been (saying that in a serious manner)...but I have been able to go to 3 continents, 5 countries (not counting the US) and 40 states by age 25....so I get out plenty!

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:52 pm

I'd guess that even if he shipped it UPS Ground, the charge would have been no where near the $15 that he was charging anyway. If the Priority Mail was only about $5, then it was only 1 pound. UPS Ground would have probably been somewhere around that, and you'd quite possibly still be waiting for the package.

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 1:15 pm

motomoon wrote:

lapoltba wrote:

If you really want the $10 back and want to make sure you get it, tell the seller to give you the refund (before you leave the positive feedback) and if they won't that you will open a dispute. eBay may not side with you, but I am sure the seller doesn't want to deal with it and have that mark on their account.

If you don't really care, just leave thm a neg. Feedback and move on. Confused

Be careful with this sort of request, ebay frowns upon feedback extortion.

I believe he read it wrong? The seller said he would give him a refund after he left them a positive feed back. I think they are in the wrong not the buyer. But at least they tried to work it out. Very Happy

Tattoo

Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:23 am

Well, since we're agonizing over small change, here's my $.02:

genesound wrote:

......You are giving that guy a lot of room in your head over a few bucks that didn't impact you in the slightest.

Why dick around with this? You agreed to pay, he agreed to get you the clutch pack in a timely manner....

jazzmans wrote:

The way I see it, is you are the person who fucks up this shit for the rest of us, not making it better for the next person.

I think you should really give these 2 statements more thought....perhaps this is how a certain seller decided he'd no longer sell to Canadians?? And perhaps you should ask yourself if you are becoming one of those people who look for a reason to be unhappy??

Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:57 am

Tattoo wrote:

Leave him a Negative, put the clutches in, go riding and forget about it. Tattoo

+1 to that, I'd ask for a partial refund, but that's as far as I'd take it. Life's too short.

Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:02 am

genesound wrote:

I don't get it. There isn't really a downside for you for him to have shipped it through the mail instead of UPS ground. In fact, you probably got your item quicker that way. It didn't cost you any more than you expected and already agreed to pay, so what's the big difference?

Where I live it's a much bigger PITA to go to the post office to do shipping than UPS, so I'll try to ship UPS or Fedex if I can. Maybe the guy's plans changed that day and he had to go to the post office anyhow, so he just sent it there instead of going to UPS.

Seriously. I've gotten pooched a few times on ebay but you know what? I like to give people the benefit of the doubt that they simply made a mistake, or, shit happens. To go after this seller for sending you what you wanted, for the price you wanted, in a timely manner, is petty at best. To quote Micheal Douglas in Falling Down, "I'm the bad guy?" To quote Bobby Duval, "Yeah".

This seller is now hoping and praying your clutch chatters and slips, and causes you to call for a tow truck 50 miles from your house. You want that on your head? For principle?

Lets say, just for fun, you write this guy back and say, you know what, I may have over reacted. Do me a favor and just change your ads so that in the future there will be no confusion, and have a nice day. My guess is you will feel better, and maybe your bike will too. By the way, how old is your clutch cable?

Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:52 pm

Hey,

Who is this chuckle head that will not sell to Canadians? Do my friendly American neighbors avoid dealing with him out of protest or is he a good guy? This thread need a good thread jacking.

Grant.

Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:06 pm

elcman wrote:

Hey,

Who is this chuckle head that will not sell to Canadians? Do my friendly American neighbors avoid dealing with him out of protest or is he a good guy? This thread need a good thread jacking.

Grant.

His name is Jeremy
http://motors.shop.ebay.com/havejeepwilloffroad/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=

Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 2:36 pm

Hey,

Thanks dude. Should people avoid him or just have stuff shipped close to the border? I have looked at his stuff before.

Grant.

Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:01 pm

I would say completely avoid. He's a total a$$!! (and not just to Canadians)

Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:18 pm

cb1100fer wrote:

I would say completely avoid. He's a total a$$!! (and not just to Canadians)

I've bought from him in the past - never had a problem. I must be doing something wrong.

Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:08 pm

Well, you can close the thread down...I got a email from the CFO of the company!

Quote:

I have issued a $10.00 credit and a free t-shirt to be applied to your next order.What size t-shirt do You wear?

Please reference this transaction when placing your next order in order to be issued credit.

Thank you,
Pete
C.F.O.

Well, I did thank him for the offer...but told him it was useless since I would never order from them again. Atleast he was able to kill me with kindness. (Oh, and I really did thank him and meant it).

+1 for teh CFO, -1 for the front line staff

THE END

Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:30 pm

You complain for 3 pages of thread... The guy actually wanted to give you $10 and a shirt, and make things OK for future business purposes! And you said screw you? Rolling Eyes

I'm going to buy a clutch set from him right away. Wink

Seems like a good person to do business with, you however aren't.

Its the principal of it though... Right? Rolling Eyes

Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:23 pm

Well, I STILL can't say that I agree with the switch in shipping but I would definitely give them a positive feedback rating. Considering the other emails you posted, and that last reply, it looks like they were trying to do the right thing and keep your business. If you don't want the t-sirt, thats fine, but I would say that are worthy of MY business in the future.

Principle is principle, and yes, to some extent it is worth making a stink over. But, when a seller is willing to go through all that to fix the issue I think I can let it pass.

Take your $10, put the clutches in and ride. Cool

Yes you said it before Tattoo, then I said it before, and I said it again....

I'm going home, its a beautiful day out and I braved the 36 degree F ride in this morning and I'm gonna enjoy the ride home!

Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:31 pm

So i was going to say, "Ya! Let me buy something else from you so that I can get ripped off on shipping AGAIN...oh, wait...Im only getting half ripped off on shipping since I got $10 credit (which is not what I asked for) and a T-Shirt so I can send MORE people your way..."

I think not.

In the emails from the company, they even say they usually use USPS to ship items becuase it is faster, yet the cheapest shipping I have seen on any of their items is UPS Ground for $15. So they routinely state that shipping is UPS (which is insured by default) but switch to USPS (which is not insured by default) "because it is faster" -------------AND CHEAPER!

I am a good person to do business with. Every person I have sold items to on the forums I have done so with them paying the exact cost of shipping and either me breaking even for the part or making less then a few dollars. So I think I am pretty fair. You may say that is not good business, but I wasnt doing it to make money....I was selling stuff I didnt need or ie: when I sold my extra blue poly hose, I sold it because I bought the bulk package so I could get a fair price on it and then sold the rest to members here so I didnt lose all that extra money.

Also, I work for a company that has been increasing its sales every year since before the recession hit and since then. We are having even better years then when the bubble was its biggest. We havent done it by increasing prices (we have actually lowered some prices / allow kids under 12 in free with a paid adult) but because we have FAIR prices and have INCREASED our customer service. People want to come to our company because we are nice and UNDERSTAND customer complaints. Sure, we used to treat customers like this Ebayer...once they had my money, it wasnt leaving their hands. Then we saw the light and there is no going back. We make more money giving vouchers, discounts, freebies, and even money back then by stonewalling people. Yes, sometimes you have to say no, and there are people who are unreasonable. If I was unreasonable I would have filed a PayPal dispute or a AMEX chargeback...but I didnt because it wasnt right for the circumstance.

Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:35 pm

lapoltba wrote:

Take your $10, put the clutches in and ride.

and that is what I did do. I left feedback and washed my hands of the issue. the plates went in today...just waiting for a new "washer" as Honda calls it. The lock tab washer for the spanner nut.

Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:44 am

cb1100fer wrote:

I would say completely avoid. He's a total a$$!! (and not just to Canadians)

Good to know. His prices were never that good. I try to avoid ebay anyway.

Thanks for the heads up, Grant.