Drag Champion races a CB1100f

MB-5 Joined: Feb 06, 2004 Posts: 1 Location: wy 82834

FYI - for the second year in a ROW, Michael Nash has won the NHRA Pro Bike/Sled ET Championship in Pomona Ca. You first must win the Divisional Championship (7 Div.) Then you go to the NHRA World Finals in Pomona. He's told me he runs 1220cc custom pistons, Web-Cam (I think) good rods, (of course) 33mm Mikuni Flatslides, stock frame w/mods. 9.30s are common , w/a best of 8.97. He does his own headwork , runs w/delay box (of course) Quite an accomplishment and what a job of RIDING and cutting lights. Congrats Michael.
Thx., Brian Wilkening.

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:25 am

Do you have a pic of this bike? I'd like to see what a 9 sec. F looks like.

David

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:25 am

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:51 am

Very cool! Do they have their own web site?

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 2:25 pm

It is settled!!!

Black IS the fastest F!!

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:36 pm

I've known some white guys who go pretty fast too. Razz

CB1100F Joined: Jul 02, 2003 Posts: 3189 Location: Phoenix

If he makes it here to Phoenix, I would love to go see him.

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:23 am

JSGAuto wrote:

It is settled!!!

Black IS the fastest F!!

Was there ever any doubt?

Very Happy

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:25 am

larryg wrote:

I've known some white guys who go pretty fast too. Razz

Twinstar Joined: Jul 16, 2007 Posts: 226 Location: NorCal

Alright! Where is sonicrete? I want to read some ranting, repetitive b.s. about what this guy is doing wrong, and that he knows nothing about the "F" bikes. This post has been here since yesterday at 4:30 according to the original post time and NO response yet? This is your friggin' specialty bud, your "know it all" topic: Drag Bikes! Get it on.
Strike your 9.90 slick that scares everybody but the very best two-wheeled straightliners from Ohio, this guy from Texarkana is running in the high 8's my friend, that is decades faster in 1/4 mile times.
Tell him what a p.o.s. he's riding and that Hondas are the worst engineered bikes around.
Miami blue hair?
It's 1983 tech that is still capable of winning in 2007, imagine that.

Twinstar Joined: Jul 16, 2007 Posts: 226 Location: NorCal

Excuse me, Sunday@6;30 a/m, 12/16/07.

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:19 am

NorCalSuperF wrote:

Alright! Where is sonicrete? I want to read some ranting, repetitive b.s. about what this guy is doing wrong, and that he knows nothing about the "F" bikes. This post has been here since yesterday at 4:30 according to the original post time and NO response yet? This is your friggin' specialty bud, your "know it all" topic: Drag Bikes! Get it on.
Strike your 9.90 slick that scares everybody but the very best two-wheeled straightliners from Ohio, this guy from Texarkana is running in the high 8's my friend, that is decades faster in 1/4 mile times.
Tell him what a p.o.s. he's riding and that Hondas are the worst engineered bikes around.
Miami blue hair?
It's 1983 tech that is still capable of winning in 2007, imagine that.

Damn! OK, from now on just decaf for you!

heh. Wink

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:13 pm

very cool.mighty fast on 33's!

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:36 pm

motomoon wrote:

JSGAuto wrote:

It is settled!!!

Black IS the fastest F!!

Was there ever any doubt?

Very Happy

I bet if you check the #'s on that block you'll find it came from a RED bike... Razz

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:55 pm

NorCalSuperF wrote:

Alright! Where is sonicrete? I want to read some ranting, repetitive b.s. about what this guy is doing wrong, and that he knows nothing about the "F" bikes. This post has been here since yesterday at 4:30 according to the original post time and NO response yet? This is your friggin' specialty bud, your "know it all" topic: Drag Bikes! Get it on.
Strike your 9.90 slick that scares everybody but the very best two-wheeled straightliners from Ohio, this guy from Texarkana is running in the high 8's my friend, that is decades faster in 1/4 mile times.
Tell him what a p.o.s. he's riding and that Hondas are the worst engineered bikes around.
Miami blue hair?
It's 1983 tech that is still capable of winning in 2007, imagine that.

I hope sonic does not rise to the "bait" you have trolling here. Your words do not seem to ask for a debate but rather more of an attack. Maybe if you rephrased this to say lets discuss the discrepancies of your opinion rather than coming at him with the inflamatory words you chose, to get something productive for the rest of us who are interested in what makes this Michael Nash a champion in modern times.

Just my opinion but I think a little civility is in order if you truley want a informational exchange. We have had plenty of bashing on each other lately and I don't think it is called for in this thread.

Dave

Dave

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:22 pm

sonic does his own trolling so i dont think he should be immune from it himself.

i to am shocked he hasnt posted in this thread.

i highly doubt drag racing a F could be discussed here with any civility if you dont 100% agree with sonic.

maybe he knows that so hes passed on this thread.good for him.

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:47 pm

Burned,

I tend to agree with everything you stated. I would rather see some good information exchange (heated or not) without it being inflamatory from the git-go and coming across like a personal attack.

I'd say NorcalSuperF red-lighted this pass IMO. Wink

Challenges do not have to be so personal or emotional.

Dave

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:08 pm

It does seem odd that he hasnt chimed in..... at all. No biggie... just odd is all. I too was under the impression you had to be on a 25 year old suzuki or kawi to win. Does anyone know how to reach the engine builder on this race bike and get him to post on this site. Even being vauge could give us tons of useful info to keep our bikes alive and kicking........Butt. Twisted Evil

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:09 pm

norcal just struck first is all.

i would love to know what michael runs for fuel,actual cam shaft,cam timing,ignition timing,shift rpm etc etc.

any one know him personally?

like i posted originally,im super impressed shearly for the fact hes running little ol' 33's.

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:43 pm

I guess this guy must know how to make "big power".

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:08 pm

larryg wrote:

I too was under the impression you had to be on a 25 year old suzuki or kawi to win. Does anyone know how to reach the engine builder on this race bike and get him to post on this site. Even being vauge could give us tons of useful info to keep our bikes alive and kicking........Butt. Twisted Evil

Ditto!!

Dave

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:52 pm

That's awesome!!! Do we have any more pics of the bike?!

Razz

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:03 pm

AlaskaGriz wrote:

NorCalSuperF wrote:

Alright! Where is sonicrete? I want to read some ranting, repetitive b.s. about what this guy is doing wrong, and that he knows nothing about the "F" bikes. This post has been here since yesterday at 4:30 according to the original post time and NO response yet? This is your friggin' specialty bud, your "know it all" topic: Drag Bikes! Get it on.
Strike your 9.90 slick that scares everybody but the very best two-wheeled straightliners from Ohio, this guy from Texarkana is running in the high 8's my friend, that is decades faster in 1/4 mile times.
Tell him what a p.o.s. he's riding and that Hondas are the worst engineered bikes around.
Miami blue hair?
It's 1983 tech that is still capable of winning in 2007, imagine that.

I hope sonic does not rise to the "bait" you have trolling here. Your words do not seem to ask for a debate but rather more of an attack. Maybe if you rephrased this to say lets discuss the discrepancies of your opinion rather than coming at him with the inflamatory words you chose, to get something productive for the rest of us who are interested in what makes this Michael Nash a champion in modern times.

Just my opinion but I think a little civility is in order if you truley want a informational exchange. We have had plenty of bashing on each other lately and I don't think it is called for in this thread.

Dave

Dave

ditto

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:43 pm

There is not enough fast bikes on the west coast to support the attempts Prostar made to run out there. All the fast guys are from around Philladelphia,Florida and around here. I have driven a thousand miles to race several guys from 30 miles away.

The bike has PM wheels and looks to be Suzuki 1150 bodywork. The race versions have "body work" as in a one piece covering made by aftermarket suppliers.

Speed wise the old bike I rode was basic stock wheelbase and 1123cc engine to run around 9.70. I have two others,one is a Jr Pro Stock Honda bodywork and chassis mods and runs a best of 8.99 at 150 MPH at Atlanta with my kid riding,about the same as it runs. The other bike is basic Honda steel tank,etc and runs about 9.40 again with my kid riding. Motor wise depends on what I end up with on a given day,but not able to really build a max compression/cam 1220cc. My common engine was 1187cc and I did have high compression pistons at that size. The 1220cc at 10.25 to 1 was about the same power as the 1187cc at 13 to 1. The big motor just did not seem to run on out on top as in died. My kid just said the 1220cc was a big tractor with no top end power.

A lot of the ET depends on the tune-up. My fast bike has Lectron carbs and a lock-up clutch. The one I rode and the other bike use a normal clutch that does not allow "tuning" to improve the 60 ft time,1.26 vs say 1.40.

It was about this time when I wrecked and totalled my old bike. My kid lost interest since I was the driving force and also got to drive the motorhome along with building the bikes. The old 8 1/2" slick that I used for like 10+ years got obsoleted to become the new 7" sq section type and plain did not work like the older design Goodyear. The gearing,the clutch tune-up,the wheelie bar height,just about everything became different and the ET went somewhere and basically my kid's were not interested in drag racing a bike any more. Those two bikes are just sitting here and have not been started in like 8 yrs only moved to pump up the slick when they go flat which is depressing to me.

That is ball park what they run normally aspirated without N20.

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:03 pm

very nice!

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:28 pm

I remember reading in a magazine, forgot which one, that Vance & Hines built an 1100F to show Honda what could be done with the bike. Promptly won a nationally sanctioned event and waited for the Honda sponsorship money to come in. Didn't happen so Terry immediately sold the bike. I remember something about the Honda also having to get a weight advantage over the other brands, something to do about engine size? Couldn't punch out the engine as big as the Suzuki or Kawasaki? Anyone else remember what I'm talking about?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:37 pm

Sure do.

The rules allowed a "weight break" on direct attack type valve drive which meant the Honda. They figured it could not be made very big due to the closeness of the bore centers on the Honda.

Vance and Hines got Wiseco to make some really large pistons and using a combination of epoxy on the crankcases to plug the holes and machining most of the wrist pin boss away on one side of the piston got to like 1350+ cc. This put "a lot" of side load on the con rods and basically it only lasted like 5 passes,just to set that record.

The weight break changed,the record disallowed,and that bike got sold very quickly thereafter,since it was not competitive. It only set the record,it did not run the full event,since it would have probably blown up. You can build a Suzuki 1150 up to close to 1700cc and STILL have the bores on center with more headgasket between.

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:17 am

sonic

what is best mph you ever ran?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:40 am

Best I ever ran on my old chassis was 142 and like 9.56 at Atco.

The name of the game is weight. My bike weighed like 620/625 with me on it.

My kid is lighter and so was the Jr Pro Stock chassis like 575 with him on it. The calculation was right close,ie 10 lbs is .1 sec difference on the track. This was the way to tell how good the rider would be by estimating what ET would be good for a new rider on an old bike.

The "black bike" was steel tank,stock forks,not as low and not as long as the JPS chassis.

The old 8 1/2" Goodyear slick I used for a really long time,like say 15 passes then a new one,not the same tire for 10 yrs,was all of a sudden obsolete with no warning so extras could be purchased. It changed to a "tall" 8 1/2" that really screwed with everybodies chassis to the tune of expanding and taking out fenders. It also only lasted a year did not hold air and caused handling problems on bikes that tried them. I got tired of Goodyear at this point and went to the Mickey Thompson 7" sq section instead of the 7" G/Y made in Chile that were really bad quality.

The G/Y rubber would spin easy on the burnout to change phase and hook up as it heated up. You could adjust the grip by the length of burnout time and it would spin then couple up as the bike moved. This made the bike easy to ride without a lock-up clutch. The M/T did little burnout felt the same,ie did not get hot and pull out of the water,but gripped "all of a sudden". This meant you needed a lot of "slip" in the clutch. I had really light springs and no weight on the arms but still would bog the bike down. It took slow motion video to actually see the sag,ie loss of ET.

It was at about this time that no one wanted to drag race anymore. Getting bitched at about NHRA license needed for ET quicker than 10 flat and all the expenses hassels this meant just drove us away from the track.

Really funny,switched over to cars and now our Turbo AWD Plymouth Laser is about to have the same thing happen. ET quicker than 12.0 flat requires a full roll gage. A full gage in an economy car!

Wish I would have discovered tubocharging sooner. I built the first one for Lincoln Andrews,1187cc Honda,basically stone age stuff,draw through S&S Super "B" carb,7" tire. It ran 8.0's at 175 mph.

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:58 am

i know your not a fan of dyno's but had your bike on couple.what kind of power did it show?

150 ish?

i dont think you need a cage till 11.49 or quicker now in a car now..

i sold my ford lightning this year becuase i was knocking on that door.it was going to start costing way more money to go quicker than that.600hp is the limit of stock rods and i was pushing my luck.decided i had enough irons in the fire.