Wheelies

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:14 am

Griz asked how often we do wheelies. I have never done one. i would like to though. Hoew hard is it to pull off with a 750F? Is it even possible? I would liek to get the front wheel up to flex so,me old school muscle. How can i learn? tips/tricks?

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:29 am

On a 750 its pretty tough..... You can take wheelie classes ya know....

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:31 am

classes huh? Not sure i'f i'd pay for it. Can't I have the rpms in the power band, give the biek a hard squeeze on the front brake, and when the springs rebound hit the throttle? Wouldn't that 'get me up? '

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:37 am

It's not hard at all. First make sure your health insurance is paid up. Then stock up on front fork seals, clutch plates and maybe an extra rear tire. Then with all proper protective gear on find an appropriate location. Experiment while rolling along in first gear and reving to about 6k and dump the clutch. If you survive that without needing new sets of turn signals or gauge clusters, then you can learn to control lean angle with the throttle.
But seriously there are lots better bikes for wheelies and the penalty for error is real steep especially when trying to find parts for a 20+ year old bike.

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:39 am

hey i'll take six inches? Seee i don't want to rev and dump it cuz it'll just rip from under me... i knwo that

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:14 am

I was in Emmett coincedentally paying up my auto insurance, and was kida screwing off on the bike.
I just stuck a 43 tooth on the rear and found that if I wanted to I could pull one, not a nice hp throttle roll wheelie mind you, but a high rev dump the clutch type....it sure caught some kids attention at the Arctic Circle that's for sure!!

Smile

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:25 am

Ive never been a fan of clutch wheelies.... (that pretty much leaves out CB750's....) the power wheelies always got my blood going and I was half disapointed when I found out my 1100 didnt have roll on power wheelies. I had this mythical image in my mind of me lofting my front tire effortlessly down Santa Monica blvd. As it turns out a healthy rev and a big tug is required to wheelie Scarlett, but she is game! I think I just need to lose some weight.... Rolling Eyes

Remember that too! These bikes are OLD and HEAVY. I used to be able to wheelie my FZR600 like it was nobodies business! These bikes need more coaxing to "get it up"

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:59 am

Awwwwww cooommmmme ooooooonnnnnnnn Razz

I could easy wheelie a KZ650, RD400 and yes my KZ1000 in the old days but it was all clutch. A good rev (not 6k), pull on the bars and dump the clutch on a slow roll will ensure the front tire will come up.

Shit I do it with an underpowered Polaris Sportsman 500 ATV right now with no F'n clutch. In fact I do it with my son's Sportman 90cc 2 stroke quad. Ok, Ok I know, I just have to sit my fat butt on the back of that little quad and it will come up. Just adding some humor. Embarassed

I haven't done it with my 900F (I think) for all of the reasons stated above and I just put soooooo much TLC into this bike that I don't want to reduce it's reliability or longevity. Maybe I'm just a little older and wiser now??? Wink

Ok, chicken too!! Rolling Eyes

If you intend to do it, a CB750 will easily pull the front end up. The trick is to transfer your weight backward when the clutch is dumped on a slow roll and be ready to hit the back brake if it starts to come up too high (only as a last resort) or lean forward and let off the throttle to stop the "horse" from dumping you off the back. You could end up running behind your bike holding onto the bars if you are not careful. Start out small first (6k is way too high a rev to begin with).

All of this will cause stress on your clutch to get it up in the air and on the fork seals if you come down too hard. If you get it near the balance point roll off the throttle ever so slightly (really tiny) and then back on and you should carry the wheel up to a higher speed and revs in the gear you are in. When you get real good and can carry the wheel to high revs in one gear, then try to shift to the next gear.

I don't think I'll do it this year but I am sure I will next summer just because. Twisted Evil

I have never owned a street bike that could bring up the front wheel at the twist of the throttle so it is second nature for me to use the clutch to do it.

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:07 am

Love that pic of the wing scrapping pipes. I would never do that but its a nice reminder that the dog will hunt! Twisted Evil

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:10 am

Clutch wheelies can be done jsut fine without hurting the clutch basket. But it requirs some slipping and fenness. And if you are like me maybe a new chain.
I did not say it, but that was the last thing I was doing before my chain stretched to hell.
And it can be rather hard on the forks if you do not do it right.
Meaning, when you start coming back down, with our 750 you can give it full throttle while it is coming down to make it drop slower and nicer on the seals.

Alright.

I ahve done wheelies all the time on dirt bikes. GOt used to them. Even did some clutch wheelies. And I tried to get teh front up on my 750, but i was having some major issues getting the wheel to rise hardly at all.
I think it has to do with a few factors on my bike.
Rear suspension is squishy, it has the comstars, with the rubber dampers or whatever the hell they are, and I have CR carbs. They make it a bit harder to jam the throttle, for power wheelies. So I have to do clutch. But there is not enough power there in the first place for the heavy bitch. (Don't worry. I love my bitch...)

Even with the clutch I could not get it up the other day.

I think when the suspension is tighter, and i have a good chain and maybe the F2 swap on the wheel, it will work much better.

TO normally do a clutch wheelie, on bikes that do not have the power to blip the throttle, this is how you would want to do it.

Get moving at a slower rate of speed, where you are just about to enter your power rpm's. Like around 5,000 rpm's. give full throttle and as you are accelerating, slip your clutch using like 2 fingers. As it slips and your RPM's rise, let it back out kinda fast but not just letting it go. This should be enough of a slip to allow the front to come up without beating the crap outa your clutch basket. It will take a few attemps if you ahve never done a wheelie. If not, then you are too balsy and you are likely to hurt yourself.

I can talk about the balance point too.

As the front wheel raises, it will become lighter and lighter the further it is off the ground. This will require balance of the throttle and control that you can only really learn with practice. You can BARELY let off the throttle and your bike will be coming down, and if you do not have the power, there is nothing you can do about it. You should not need to use the rear brake. This will cause you to slam the front end down, and possible break the bike, or even put yourself into a nasty bar slapper if you do not have the front wheel nice and straight when you land. Just letting go of the throttle or letting it down a little will work wonders.

I personally would not recomend practicing on a F. These are something I got used to doing on a dirtbike, and I am still having troubles.

But once you can ride a wheelie out, it feels awesome. And the girls dig it. Laughing

Remember that the man does not "dig it" however. Shocked

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:40 am

Funny thing ..I was on fugly or your tube or maybe google videos and a pro was giving lessons on how to do wheelies. I was in the motorcycle section of one of those sites and it was very interesting.
When i raced the idea was not to pull the front wheel up. I`m good at keeping it down though.

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:48 am

Even on a heavy beast like ours, you should not have to pull the front end up.
It can make it ahrder to control the wheelie. I ahve seen people get a goldwing up without pulling anywhere.

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:17 am

Quote:

I did not say it, but that was the last thing I was doing before my chain stretched to hell.

Yeeeeeeeah, my chain is FUBARed..... watching Marcelo try and adjust it properly was not funny..... he was frustrated and asked me how many wheelies I'd done... Rolling Eyes

I like wheelies but I like my bike better....

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:11 pm

you cant do any wheelie anything w/out fubar'ing the chain..this is a heavy bike and rider too. now ive never owned a high dollar$ chain either ...maybe a big money chain can take it..i dont know but at 200 dollars im not gonna test the strength..100$ x-chain and the bitch is streched allready probably from wet rear wheel spins ocaisionally.. Mad

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:35 pm

Whatever method you try, keep your foot on the rear brake pedal!!

This is like your emergency stop! If she feels like she's going too far back on you, (sorta like when you tip the recliner back too far), applying the rear brake will pull the front wheel down. If you jam it, you'll slam it. The front end, that is.

If you ever get to watch these stunt riders up close, like the Star Boyz, check out the way they work the rear brake when they loft the front wheel. Of course they're working the throttle too, but once it's up these are the 2 things that control keeping it in the air.

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:24 pm

poor cb...dont do it!! Wink

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:41 pm

Fastball wrote:

Whatever method you try, keep your foot on the rear brake pedal!!

on the money.

I did it on modern bikes and I could wheelie down the street with my honda trail but I don't feel safe doing it on my F, I'de rather keep two wheels on the ground and go very fast instead.

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 5:12 pm

Midnight wrote:

Fastball wrote:

Whatever method you try, keep your foot on the rear brake pedal!!

on the money.

I did it on modern bikes and I could wheelie down the street with my honda trail but I don't feel safe doing it on my F, I'de rather keep two wheels on the ground and go very fast instead.

You know, I think Midnight hit it right on the money for me. Same thing for me on th Ol' Toilet Bowl Trail 90 and dirt bikes and even in my younger days on street bikes.

But now.............

I don't think I have a feeling of the safety and I like my F too much. The other bikes were just bought "off the shelf" but my F has my blood, sweat and tears into her. I will do a wheelie on my F I am sure of that but I don't think I will be doing it often.

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 5:37 pm

I think I can add to this... I have been doing wheelies lately on my 750F. It is not a good bike for it. As soon as I get to the balance point the carbs go to hell. It cuts out and the front end comes back down. Crying or Very sad

I have the stock CV carbs on mine maybe a good aftermarket set will do the trick. It will pop right up though. Second gear might be a little bit for the little 750's.

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:44 pm

For all you guys talking about dumping the clutch, DONT DO IT!!!

One, you're stressing things all over the bike. And one of them is bound to break sooner or later. Two, the bike will come up violently. That means if you don't stop it you'll end up flipping it, and if you do cut the throttle, it'll slam down harder than you want it to.

There are few ways to get any bike up. On a 750F you just have to combine them all to get good results.

Bouncing. Try cuting and opening the throttle right next to the power band. When you slam the throttle shut your forks will compress, when they are about to rebound (bounce back up) slam the throttle wide open. If you catch it perfect on the rebound going into the powerband, front wheel should lift up a bit.

Pulling. Figure out the spot in your RPM range where your bike pulls the hardest. Right before you hit that spot slam the throttle wide open and give the bars a good pull up while shifting most of your weight back. Should work really good combined with the bouncing technique above.

Double clutching. If nothing else worked. Try slipping the clutch just enough to bild up more RPM right at the moment when the bike feels like it should have came up but didn't. Don't pull it in just a slight slip under open throttle

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:55 pm

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He is crazy, just pop the clutch and have fun. Laughing

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:12 pm

There's nothing fun about busted fork seals, grooved clutch basket, or wacking your nuts against the gas tank.......

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:13 pm

7Eleven wrote:

or wacking your nuts against the gas tank.......

More true words have never been spoken. Razz

I used to have a picture of the gas tank from my black bike that was killed by the fonewhale and my nuts crushed that tank, not the other way around. Twisted Evil

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:35 pm

fasterspider wrote:

More true words have never been spoken. Razz

I used to have a picture of the gas tank from my black bike that was killed by the fonewhale and my nuts crushed that tank, not the other way around. Twisted Evil

Ray,
You must have nuts made outta steel Wow

I guess your head isn't the only thing that has been bumped before. I have dented tha side of a tank before with my leg but I am sure it didn't hurt near as much as your experience Razz

I don't think I have enough finesse to get this heavy bike up by throttle alone. I can do it with my ATV's but not this.

Chatchee........ It is clutch all the way for me too. Wink

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:57 pm

7Eleven wrote:

For all you guys talking about dumping the clutch, DONT DO IT!!!

One, you're stressing things all over the bike. And one of them is bound to break sooner or later. Two, the bike will come up violently. That means if you don't stop it you'll end up flipping it, and if you do cut the throttle, it'll slam down harder than you want it to.

There are few ways to get any bike up. On a 750F you just have to combine them all to get good results.

Bouncing. Try cuting and opening the throttle right next to the power band. When you slam the throttle shut your forks will compress, when they are about to rebound (bounce back up) slam the throttle wide open. If you catch it perfect on the rebound going into the powerband, front wheel should lift up a bit.

Pulling. Figure out the spot in your RPM range where your bike pulls the hardest. Right before you hit that spot slam the throttle wide open and give the bars a good pull up while shifting most of your weight back. Should work really good combined with the bouncing technique above.

Double clutching. If nothing else worked. Try slipping the clutch just enough to bild up more RPM right at the moment when the bike feels like it should have came up but didn't. Don't pull it in just a slight slip under open throttle

I think that is kinda what I was saying too. You do not need to dump the clutch. This will kill the clutch. But you can slip it right to get teh bike to act like it has more power that is actually does. Pulling up might bee needed on these bikes. But you shouldn't have too. And I do have the CR's, so mashing the throttle does nothing but kill my bike. Wink

I like the idea of just going fast though. I would rather go fast on a good chain than to mess it or anything else up going slow. Twisted Evil

Yeah. Cover the rear brake with your life. But you would be suprised how a WEE bit of throttle does the trick. Letting off of it completly is kinda like hittine the rear brake. You will slam your front down hard. And mess up the forks and seals.

After I replace my chain, I am staying with slicing through traffic and mountains.

Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:40 am

A friend of mine can wheelie anything....he's just got what it takes i guess. I have a 900f and and 1100f and he has the little sister, the 750f. He can walk that 750 like it was made to be on one wheel. He dumps the clutch at about 3 grand and wheelies until he's ready to come down. The bike is bone stock except for a pipe. I haven't got what it takes to get the wheel of either of my bikes off the ground but he can take either one of my bikes and do the same with it. He has never blown a fork seal and had no adverse mechanical issues from doing wheelies. Call it kucky or call it what you want, but i have seen some very impressive wheelies come from the bike under his ass..and they have always been CB-F's.

Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:25 am

cceretti wrote:

A friend of mine can wheelie anything....he's just got what it takes i guess. I have a 900f and and 1100f and he has the little sister, the 750f. He can walk that 750 like it was made to be on one wheel. He dumps the clutch at about 3 grand and wheelies until he's ready to come down. The bike is bone stock except for a pipe. I haven't got what it takes to get the wheel of either of my bikes off the ground but he can take either one of my bikes and do the same with it. He has never blown a fork seal and had no adverse mechanical issues from doing wheelies. Call it kucky or call it what you want, but i have seen some very impressive wheelies come from the bike under his ass..and they have always been CB-F's.

He does it the same way that I do. Pop the clutch and ride it out. I just don't understand what is wrong with my bike. It chokes itself when the front wheel is way up in the air and slams it down. I have an all stock bike other than the pipe too.

Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 3:16 pm

chachee wrote:

He does it the same way that I do. Pop the clutch and ride it out. I just don't understand what is wrong with my bike. It chokes itself when the front wheel is way up in the air and slams it down. I have an all stock bike other than the pipe too.

There is nothing wrong with your bike and it's not even carbs. There are two kind of wheelies. Balance and Power. If you know how to balance, you can coast with the clutch in, tapping the back brake and tugging the bars at 5mph. If thats not the case, then your're not all the way up, and you're using power of your motor to keep you up. When you dump the clutch at higher RPM, it's slipping still even when you have your hand off the lever. While it's slipping it's comming up, then once it fully catches RPM is too low to keep it up, so it boggs and slams down.

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:15 am

well i'll try doing a wheelie by fork rebound, but i woun't dump the clutch. I am not taking the risk of loosing my bike over some dumb shit. If nothing else i'll wait till i get a new CBR

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:19 am

SuperSportCB750F wrote:

well i'll try doing a wheelie by fork rebound, but i woun't dump the clutch. I am not taking the risk of loosing my bike over some dumb shit. If nothing else i'll wait till i get a new CBR

Wait till you get the CBR. Believe it or not, the parts are cheaper for it. Laughing

And it will do them ALLLLLLLLL day long, no problem.