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tdm34
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Joined: Apr 12, 2006
Posts: 101
Location: Akron OH
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:49 am |
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DrOlds
Silver CB900F
Joined: Feb 23, 2008
Posts: 1234
Location: Watertown NY USA
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:21 pm |
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Really nice looking bike! Much better than the "C" model retro they released. |
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tomk1960
Red CB1100F
Joined: Nov 13, 2009
Posts: 5045
Location: Worcester, MA
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:38 pm |
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Cool bike with lots of modern features such as single sided swingarm, modern suspension, huge brake rotors, nice exhaust, etc. But like all of the other Honda concept bikes we've seen in the past few years, I give it a snowball's chance in hell that it will ever go to production. Even if it does, will it ever make it to the states? If this isn't castrated like the CB1100 that came out several years ago, it would probably sell better. |
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tdm34
Twinstar
Joined: Apr 12, 2006
Posts: 101
Location: Akron OH
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:11 pm |
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tomk1960 wrote: |
Cool bike with lots of modern features such as single sided swingarm, modern suspension, huge brake rotors, nice exhaust, etc. But like all of the other Honda concept bikes we've seen in the past few years, I give it a snowball's chance in hell that it will ever go to production. Even if it does, will it ever make it to the states? If this isn't castrated like the CB1100 that came out several years ago, it would probably sell better. |
Tom, I think it's got a very good chance of making it to the States as it's based on a model that's available already in the US (CB1000R Neo-Sport Cafe)
and there's existing competition Kawasaki's Z900RS and Suzuki's Katana. and another reason, hopefully when all this Corona-Virus thing is sorted
i'll be emigrating to Akron OH from the UK and I need this bike!!! |
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1337
Black CB750F
Joined: May 11, 2014
Posts: 1011
Location: San Diego
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:28 pm |
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Why don't they just release the 1300 already? We have enough liter bikes. |
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n8n8n8
Twinstar
Joined: Dec 07, 2012
Posts: 254
Location: Akron, oh
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:02 pm |
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Ha ha, I watched the entire video even though I only understood one word, tank. |
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basmn
Silver CB900F
Joined: May 03, 2006
Posts: 1146
Location: Northumberland Ontario
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:09 pm |
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Oh...I understood the whole thing 🤪 I hope it comes with some decent HP numbers and a cool license plate holder....maybe signals too . Lol |
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tomk1960
Red CB1100F
Joined: Nov 13, 2009
Posts: 5045
Location: Worcester, MA
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:46 pm |
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So roughly 120+ hp if they don't mess with the motor or de-tune it...not bad and certainly quicker than a stock 1100F. If they already have tooling for most of the components, then they should do it. If it was priced in the same ballpark as the CB1100, it might sell. |
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f4fast
Friend of the Board
Joined: Jul 09, 2005
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Location: Long Island,N.Y.
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:52 pm |
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tomk1960 wrote: |
So roughly 120+ hp if they don't mess with the motor or de-tune it...not bad and certainly quicker than a stock 1100F. If they already have tooling for most of the components, then they should do it. If it was priced in the same ballpark as the CB1100, it might sell. |
It’s 140+ hp.....same as cb1000r, still 20 hp lower than the bmw s1000r and euro competition
Hot bike ...I think it’s the 2008 cbr1000rr engine built for mid range torque
https://youtu.be/m_-i6dnEN7s
http://www.cb1100f.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=88667 |
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sachelrhymes
Hawk
Joined: Aug 30, 2009
Posts: 408
Location: schuylerville ny
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:31 am |
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I saw another video on this. with SteveG's bike at 3:08
https://youtu.be/f2TEVGWubxQ
I did a double take on the video and went back to pause. silver frame, v&h, car turn sig's, etc. I knew it was his. hell I rode that thing. awesome bike Steve.
as far as the new bike goes. I'm praying.
Eric. |
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hondaron
Rest in Peace
Joined: Mar 30, 2012
Posts: 658
Location: houston, texas
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:12 pm |
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Tom's referral to 120 HP, is rear wheel dyno HP numbers, which most magazine dyno numbers I've seen on the current 2018/2019 CB1000R have been on the 121/122 rear wheel HP numbers.
Disclaimer I'm using Dynojet Dyno numbers, as there are more of them in the field than any other brand dyno.
That said, while we all get stuck on big Horsepower claims and numbers, I know how much time and money, it takes to get a 900/1100 F based bike to that level.
I also know, that at my age and my riding now limited to just street riding for fun, I've had as much fun on a 85 HP motorcycle as I have on a 185 HP motorcycle.
I'd love to have a new stock Honda with fuel injection, traction control, ride modes, modern ABS brakes, that "only " made around 120 Horsepower.
Biggest problem for me with the current CB1000R, was a severe case of "noassatall" with nothing behind the seat, and of course the obnoxious license plate holder, which of course can be easily fixed.
I've always said our F bikes, had the most beautiful, gorgeous lines of any motorcycle Honda ever made, which is why I've held on to mine all these years.
I think this F concept bike looks great, i wish it had mirrors, turn signals, license plate bracket, etc to signal it was "closer" to production than concept !!
It's all about numbers, in the old days there were only a couple of choices, now between sport bikes, touring bikes, cruisers, adventure bikes etc there's almost too many choices.
I for one hope that there's enough of "us" left for Honda to make this motorcycle !!!
And hurry up damn it, I'm tired of waiting 😊 |
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tomk1960
Red CB1100F
Joined: Nov 13, 2009
Posts: 5045
Location: Worcester, MA
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:52 pm |
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hondaron wrote: |
Tom's referral to 120 HP, is rear wheel dyno HP numbers, which most magazine dyno numbers I've seen on the current 2018/2019 CB1000R have been on the 121/122 rear wheel HP numbers. |
I looked up that model and found the HP rating in several different magazine articles and ratings. I like 140hp even more, but there was no mention of that where I looked. |
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f4fast
Friend of the Board
Joined: Jul 09, 2005
Posts: 24693
Location: Long Island,N.Y.
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:01 pm |
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hondaron
Rest in Peace
Joined: Mar 30, 2012
Posts: 658
Location: houston, texas
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:20 pm |
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Wasn’t trying to start a horsepower debate, that’s why I put a disclaimer 🙂
My only point was Honda claims crankshaft Horsepower not rear wheel horsepower.
I’ve seen similar rear wheel horsepower numbers I’ve referenced for the CB1000R on the same Dynojet dyno I’ve tuned my 1123F motor on.
And I’d be happy with that 🙂
I’d also be happy with a new F style bike with whatever Horsepower numbers you choose to believe 🙂 |
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f4fast
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:11 pm |
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hondaron wrote: |
Wasn’t trying to start a horsepower debate, that’s why I put a disclaimer 🙂
My only point was Honda claims crankshaft Horsepower not rear wheel horsepower.
I’ve seen similar rear wheel horsepower numbers I’ve referenced for the CB1000R on the same Dynojet dyno I’ve tuned my 1123F motor on.
And I’d be happy with that 🙂
I’d also be happy with a new F style bike with whatever Horsepower numbers you choose to believe 🙂 |
Agreed....... I used the 140 because that’s the number I assume the competition uses.....the euro naked liter bikes are 160+ ...again , I’m assuming crank hp as well.
What’s the feeling on the red Honda badge opposed to the decal ?
I think red badge F vs the standard black cb1000r, I’m not sure which I like better...
I personally think that new models are out the window In light of Covid, but we can dream...or buy a leftover cb1000r for peanuts....😈
Ron, were you saying your “f” hit that number on a similar dyno? |
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n8n8n8
Twinstar
Joined: Dec 07, 2012
Posts: 254
Location: Akron, oh
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:15 pm |
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For what ever it's worth, I emailed honda powersports a suggestion to make the bike. I did read that there is room for it in their 2020 line up, although I like the "snowballs chance in hell" on that. Mcn' s review of the cb1000r was a good one, he mentions early on about the power not being up there with the current crop of super nakeds, but that it will "beat the pants off of" the other retro bikes available today. I would buy it. The only bad thing that could come of it would be having to choose between silver or black🙄 |
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hondaron
Rest in Peace
Joined: Mar 30, 2012
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Location: houston, texas
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:30 pm |
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In answer to your question of "my F bike hitting a similar HP number on the dyno " ?
I've had a Wiseco piston motor with too much compression make 129 rear wheel HP, my current lower compression 1123 motor with cruzin image Pistons, " only" makes 123 rear wheel HP.
Like I said I'd be "happy" with a stock bike that made 120 HP or 126 HP
As far as the Honda badge, I'd prefer the decal versus the badge
And as far as the comment about there being room for the F concept bike in Honda's 2020 line up ?
Since we're already 3 months into 2020, I'd say 2021 or 2022 at best, but if we're dreaming might as well DREAM BIG !!! |
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Bucko
CB1100F
Joined: Dec 15, 2003
Posts: 2839
Location: Vancouver BC
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:05 pm |
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Posted something about a lack of HP before reading the full thread.
Never mind. Carry on . |
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tdm34
Twinstar
Joined: Apr 12, 2006
Posts: 101
Location: Akron OH
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Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:06 pm |
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But remember the motor is basically a reworked Fireblade engine from 2008-2018 so if they want to spice it up a little then I would say
they're only a set of cams and a map away from a crankshaft measured 160bhp which would put on a par with Yamaha's MT10 BMW's S1000R and ahead of the Katana |
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BullittDave
Twinstar
Joined: Aug 31, 2016
Posts: 256
Location: Mission, TX.
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Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:38 pm |
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[quote="tdm34"]
someone upload the photo's as I can't for some reason
Here you go. This site isn't the most user friendly when it comes time to posting pics. I upload them to Flickr and then copy and paste.
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Nunzio
Black CB750F
Joined: Mar 27, 2007
Posts: 947
Location: Hampton, GA
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Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:29 am |
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This has to be just a rendering, there are a lot of parts missing. No rear foot pegs, turn signals etc. |
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hondaron
Rest in Peace
Joined: Mar 30, 2012
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Location: houston, texas
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Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:44 am |
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Now come on, like you have rear foot pegs or turn signals on your bikes ? 🙂 ha
But yes I hate to agree, if there were some of those “necessities “ it would give me more hope that it was closer to production and reality !!! 👍 |
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f4fast
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Location: Long Island,N.Y.
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Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:04 am |
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This ones better |
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Fastball
Friend of the Board
Joined: Aug 23, 2004
Posts: 1571
Location: Spring Grove, PA
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Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:59 am |
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VERY appealing for a new bike! Build it and I will buy.
Would look sweet sitting next to the OMT. |
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Weekend_Junkie
Silver CB900F
Joined: Apr 22, 2004
Posts: 1501
Location: NYC-NJ
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Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:19 pm |
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This prototype brought my back in to check things out! I scored a CB1100 and like it for a sidecar rig but it's a disappointment as a CB-F legacy. This new bike is the correct direction though! |
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Walter
Twinstar
Joined: Nov 05, 2009
Posts: 130
Location: Central NJ
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Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:28 pm |
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Actually, it seems that there doesn't seem to be a need to wait, since this Japanese company builds a CB1100 kit that, imo, looks better than what Honda's showing. At least I think so- the site is a little confusing (even translated). Plus- they're all custom- doesn't look like they sell just the basic parts.
Project CB1100F
check the video |
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hondaron
Rest in Peace
Joined: Mar 30, 2012
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Location: houston, texas
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Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:53 pm |
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The F bike kits they make for the retro CB1100 do look really nice 😊
Unfortunately that CB1100 only makes like 85 rear wheel HP 😟 |
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f4fast
Friend of the Board
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Location: Long Island,N.Y.
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Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:03 am |
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hondaron wrote: |
The F bike kits they make for the retro CB1100 do look really nice 😊
Unfortunately that CB1100 only makes like 85 rear wheel HP 😟 |
Agreed..boring bike..... |
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tomk1960
Red CB1100F
Joined: Nov 13, 2009
Posts: 5045
Location: Worcester, MA
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Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:10 pm |
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f4fast wrote: |
hondaron wrote: |
The F bike kits they make for the retro CB1100 do look really nice 😊
Unfortunately that CB1100 only makes like 85 rear wheel HP 😟 |
Agreed..boring bike..... |
I want to know how they managed to take a modern, injected engine of the same displacement as the 1100F and managed to castrate it. WTF were they thinking? There are still new ones out there on dealer floors or stuffed in corners collecting dust. |
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thx113
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Location: Western Australia
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Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:43 pm |
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tomk1960 wrote: |
f4fast wrote: |
hondaron wrote: |
The F bike kits they make for the retro CB1100 do look really nice 😊
Unfortunately that CB1100 only makes like 85 rear wheel HP 😟 |
Agreed..boring bike..... |
I want to know how they managed to take a modern, injected engine of the same displacement as the 1100F and managed to castrate it. WTF were they thinking? There are still new ones out there on dealer floors or stuffed in corners collecting dust. |
I think it is either trying to keep all the old blokes who had a boldor in the 80's alive, or a deliberately understressed engine for long and reliable engine life. |
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